o A.1 utt1: Okay, /
qy A.1 utt2: have you ever served as a juror? /
ng B.2 utt1: Never. /
sd^e B.2 utt2: I've never been served on the jury, never been called up in a jury, although some of my friends have been jurors. /
b A.3 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sd A.3 utt2: I never have either. /
% B.4 utt1: You haven't, {F huh. } /
qo B.4 utt2: If you were, {F uh, } what do you think about the whole concept of a trial by your peers? /
sv A.5 utt1: {D Well, } I think it's a good idea. /
sv A.5 utt2: I think our justice system needs a major overhaul, /
sd A.5 utt3: {C and } I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix it. /
sv A.5 utt4: {C But } I think they've got a lot of problems. /
sv B.6 utt1: I think the major thing they need to correct is how long it takes something to get to jury, and to get to trial. /
aa A.7 utt1: True. /
sd B.8 utt1: {C And } I don't know if that's just a pure volumes number [ or, + or ] what, /
sv B.8 utt2: {C but, } {F uh. } Sometimes I think the jury is ignorant in the facts of law and how things should be determined, /
sv B.8 utt3: {C and } they're too easily swayed by their emotion. /
aa A.9 utt1: Yeah, /
aa A.9 utt2: I think that's true. /
sv B.10 utt1: Hence is possible error as you can see in all the IRONSIDES,
x A.11 utt1: <Laughter>
+ B.12 utt1: T V shows. /
b A.13 utt1: Yeah. /
qy A.13 utt2: [ Do, + would ] you prefer all trials by a judge? /
nn B.14 utt1: No, /
sv^e B.14 utt2: I think there are certain things that, {F uh, } the jury can determine as far as, {F uh, } guilty or not guilty, /
sv B.14 utt3: {C but } as far as the [ [ af-, + af-, ] + affixing ] of punishment and fines and things of that nature, <throat_clearing> I don't know if that is best left up to the jury [ to de-, + to award, ] {D you know. } /
sv B.14 utt4: Two point two million dollar kind of settlement versus a judge knowing, {D you know, } it's true that, {D you know, } this may be sad and all that thing, /
sv B.14 utt5: {C but, } {F uh, } the jury I think is best, in most cases, suited for determination of guilt and innocence, but not the award [ of, + of ] penalties and fines and punishment. /
aa A.15 utt1: Yeah, /
aa A.15 utt2: I would agree with that. /
sv A.15 utt3: I think you're righ-, /
sv A.15 utt4: I think they sometimes get carried away by the circumstances and make huge settlements thinking {D well } it's only going to cost the insurance company, /
% A.15 utt5: {C and, } -/
aa B.16 utt1: Uh-huh, /
aa B.16 utt2: that's true. /
sv B.16 utt3: {C But, } {F uh, } I do like the idea of the jury being [ the, + the ] people who decide in the matter of, {F uh, } if it's a jail term versus life and death --
b A.17 utt1: Uh-huh. /
+ B.18 utt1: -- {D you know, } the death penalty and such. /
sv A.19 utt1: If they give them all the information. /
h A.19 utt2: I don't know, /
sv A.19 utt3: when it comes to sentencing phase, I guess they tell them [ if a guy, + if the person ] has a previous record and stuff. /
b B.20 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sv A.21 utt1: Sometimes it seems like during the trial part, the jury's [ not, + ] {D you know, } misses some of the best evidence because they make them leave, /
sd A.21 utt2: {C and } --
b B.22 utt1: Right. /
+ A.23 utt1: -- the judge decides whether or not they should hear it. /
b B.24 utt1: Yeah. /
sv B.24 utt2: {F Uh, } [ [ it, + it, ] + it's ] kind of difficult, /
sv B.24 utt3: {C and } I guess the whole system is set up to rather let, {F uh, } some guilty people go free than to put an innocent person [ in, + in ] jail --
b A.25 utt1: Right. /
+ B.26 utt1: -- although you still hear about those occasionally. /
b A.27 utt1: Yeah. /
qy A.27 utt2: Do you think the verdict should be completely unanimous by the jury? /
no B.28 utt1: {F Um, } I don't know. /
sd B.28 utt2: [ I, + {D you know, } I ] heard a very interesting, - /
h B.28 utt3: {C and } maybe it's just the T V show or movie I was watching, /
sd B.28 utt4: they were going through a trial, /
sv B.28 utt5: {C and } I think it was {D like } on one of [ the, + the ] documentary T V shows where they ask for [ the, + the ] verdict by the jury -- /
b A.29 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sd B.30 utt1: -- {C and } they went by each one, saying guilty or innocent, guilty or innocent. /
b^r A.31 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sd B.32 utt1: {C And } they took it more as just {D like } a majority. /
b A.33 utt1: Oh. /
% B.34 utt1: {D So } [ I, + I, ] -/
bf A.35 utt1: Some of them disagree, /
bf A.35 utt2: {E I mean, } some of them said one way and some the other. /
aa B.36 utt1: Exactly, /
sd B.36 utt2: {C but } they took, {D you know, } whatever the majority was. /
sd B.36 utt3: {C So } I didn't know if that was just something for drama or that's truly the way it is. /
sv B.36 utt4: I always thought it had to be unanimous. /
sv A.37 utt1: I think it does have to be unanimous. /
sv B.38 utt1: {C But, } {F uh. } Rather interesting. /
sd A.39 utt1: I know they can poll a jury, make sure everybody agrees with what they said the verdict was, /
sv A.39 utt2: {C but } I thought that they all had to agree /
sd A.39 utt3: {C or } else [ they, + it ] was a hung jury. /
b B.40 utt1: Uh-huh. /
% A.41 utt1: {C And, } -/
sd B.42 utt1: [ I did, + I did ] also. /
b A.43 utt1: Yeah, /
sd A.43 utt2: [ I thi-, + ] I don't know how I feel about that. /
sv A.43 utt3: I think maybe, {F uh, } majority might be sufficient. /
b B.44 utt1: Uh-huh. /
h A.45 utt1: It's hard to say though. /
qy^d B.46 utt1: What about in international trials. /
qy B.46 utt2: Do you think they should have a jury there? /
^h A.47 utt1: Oh. /
sv B.48 utt1: I think that would be kind of interesting. /
b A.49 utt1: Yeah, /
sd A.49 utt2: I hadn't thought about international trials at all. /
sv B.50 utt1: I guess [ the, + the ] problem with that is there's no true authority in any kind of international verdicts --
b A.51 utt1: Right. /
+ B.52 utt1: -- like, {D you know, } the old day with the rack. /
sd(^q) B.52 utt2: [ We, + they're ] going to say, Okay, you're guilty and you have to pay Kuwait four million dollars. /
qh B.52 utt3: {D Well, } whose going to really make them. /
b A.53 utt1: Yeah. /
sd B.54 utt1: Nobody. /
b^r A.55 utt1: Yeah, /
sv B.56 utt1: [ {C So. } + {C But } ] I think it would be kind of interesting to incorporate that concept of, {D you know, } people from different countries, {F uh, } in as international law also. /
b A.57 utt1: Yeah, /
sv A.57 utt2: I think maybe they'd need to be more knowledgeable though than just your average Joe off the street --
b B.58 utt1: Uh-huh. /
+ A.59 utt1: -- for something like that because of the cultural differences.
b B.60 utt1: Right. /
+ A.61 utt1: Things like that. /
sd B.62 utt1: I don't know [ how, + what ] it would take to [ be, + come up ] with a true perfect system, {E or } if one exists. /
% B.62 utt2: {C But, } -/
b A.63 utt1: Yeah. /
o@ A.63 utt2: What about uniform sentencing?
qy^h B.64 utt1: {F Uh, } is that the crime /
qy^d B.64 utt2: {C and } it's already, (( )) some chart and determine the punishment, /
% B.64 utt3: {C or. } -/
+@ A.65 utt1: Right. /
ny A.65 utt2: Yeah, /
sd^e A.65 utt3: {D like } if you're convicted of a certain crime you automatically get so many years. /
sd A.65 utt4: It's not a discretionary thing. /
b B.66 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sv B.66 utt2: I think there should be a core minimum that they get -- /
b A.67 utt1: Uh-huh. /
sv B.68 utt1: -- {C but, } {F uh, } I guess there should be some flexibility because every situation may be unique, that the judge can either increase that or keep it just at its minimum, things of that nature. /
% B.68 utt2: {C But, } -/
b A.69 utt1: Yeah. /
sv A.69 utt2: I wish that when they sentence someone, if they're going to sentence him to five years, then make him serve five years. /
aa B.70 utt1: Yeah, /
sv B.70 utt2: that serves a kind of if they're, I guess, {F uh, } - /
sd B.70 utt3: if you sentence someone to life, life is only forty-nine years, something like that. /
b A.71 utt1: Yeah, /
% A.71 utt2: I, -/
sv B.72 utt1: {C And } I guess you're eligible after twenty-seven for parole, even though you're in for life. /
b A.73 utt1: Yeah, /
sv A.73 utt2: {C and } sometimes those people [ are, + are ] young enough, they can still get out and cause a lot of trouble. /
b B.74 utt1: Yeah, /
sv B.74 utt2: although I guess it's, [ you, + you ] want them to rehabilitate and become better rather than sitting in there and being a drain all the time. /
b A.75 utt1: Yeah, /
sv A.75 utt2: I don't believe that very often happens. /
aa B.76 utt1: No. /
sv B.76 utt2: {C Because } {F uh, } inside the jail [ there, + I don't think there's ] no real rehabilitation. /
aa A.77 utt1: I don't think so either. /
sv A.77 utt2: In fact, I think they end up worse, because the conditions are so bad. /
b B.78 utt1: Yeah, /
bf B.78 utt2: it's another war zone. /
aa A.79 utt1: Yeah. /
qh B.80 utt1: {C But, } who knows. /
sv A.81 utt1: [ I think, + I think ] maybe they ought to just be punished with [ some, + some ] kind of real punishment, like hard labor for a shorter length of time, {D you know. } /
aa B.82 utt1: I agree, /
sv B.82 utt2: get them out there, /
sv A.83 utt1: Actually make them do something that's not pleasant and do it and get it over with and get back in the, {D you know, } world and not spend so much time sitting around, letting the bad influences of the other ones rub off on them, /
% A.83 utt2: {C and, } -/
aa B.84 utt1: Sure, /
sv B.84 utt2: they should have them go out and doing stuff.
b A.85 utt1: Yeah. /
+ B.86 utt1: Cleaning up, or picking up dirt, or weeds, or who knows what. Something [ for the, + for the ] state, /
sv B.86 utt2: since the state is paying for them, they should get some [ kind of, + kind of ] work out of them. /
b A.87 utt1: Yeah. /
sd A.87 utt2: Something besides license plates and tiddlywinks. /
aa B.88 utt1: Exactly. /
b A.89 utt1: Yeah. /
sd B.90 utt1: Trading their lives for cigarettes --
b^r A.91 utt1: Yeah. /
+ B.92 utt1: -- those kinds of things. /
% B.92 utt2: {D Well } good. /
fc A.93 utt1: {D Well, } I think that covers it. /
fc B.94 utt1: I think so. /
fc A.95 utt1: Nice talking to you. /
fc B.96 utt1: Nice talking to you also. /
fc A.97 utt1: Bye. /
fc B.98 utt1: Have a wonderful Easter. /
fc A.99 utt1: You, too. /
fc B.100 utt1: # Bye. # /
fc A.101 utt1: # Bye. # /